Car buying... Yup, i'm still deciding!

"PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power" (petarvn)
07/18/2014 at 16:22 • Filed to: None

So, I need some input here, because I have no idea what to do with my first car search right now. I do want to say right off the bat that I may look spoiled here since I have a $25,000 (+ $2,000 for the right car) budget, but i'm having a real hard time deciding. I have my choice narrowed down to Four cars right now, and would love some advice! Before I start, I want to say that no, I will not consider a used version of any of these vehicles*. It's gonna be a new purchase. (*is for number 3 on the list, so if you want skip to that...) If you can't tell already, this is a text heavy post, so skip to the bottom for a TL;DR!

Here's a car for a lead image, to get y'all excited!

Now, without further a due, my choices.

1. 2014 V6 Mustang.
Before you ask, YES it has to be a V6. Why? because MPG's, insurance cost, and safety. NO, a used 4.6 doesn't work, because it's gonna be a new car. The reason why I like the mustang is because a local dealer is having a special on them. The base V6's are around $19K, while a !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! I love is just shy of $24K. For a new 300hp RWD coupe with leather and satnav, that's a steal! It's a cool car, and it's a quick car, but it's not the most practical, bringing me to choice #2!

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2. 2014 Juke NISMO with Nav. Pkg (or NISMO RS without nav Pkg)
Yup. I'm still looking at this thing! and now with my new, bigger budget (thanks family!) I can get the "wild child" RS trim! Thing is, if I do that, i'm missing out on the sound system, navigation, and rear view camera. My local dealer has 2 Black (best color on them IMO) RS's with manuals in stock right now actually. thing is, no Nav Pkg, which is a must for me on the car. You may be asking "why not get a normal juke NISMO with the package and a manual?" Because it's easier to find the holy grail than that combo of trim and goodies. the RS with the package is too pricey for me. Still I like the fact it's unique, and different!

3. 2014 Jetta GLI Base.
So, the GLI. the practical GTi. I love this car. it is the perfect car in every sense of the word IMO. fast. cool. tunable. affordable. comfortable and practical. Thing is I can't find a base one (the one I can afford) anywhere. my hope is my local dealer can source one, but i'm not too sure on it. if they can, i'm getting one, no questions asked but right now i'm skeptical. The * is for the fact that I can get a Certified pre owned one with 20K on it for about $22K. Then it'd be a top-of-the-line Autobahn, with EVERYTHING on it. This is a good idea, but it will probably sell by the time I get back from my Serbia trip...

4. Civic Si Coupe.
This is an odd one. I love this car. I have been driven in a '12 Si by a friend (who is a girl, and a "street racer") and I loved how it drove. they're also very much in my budget. the tech is also very appealing to me. Problem is the image that it has is.... less than what I want

So, what do I do? Help!!! Can I get any input on what to get? advice? Personally, i'd get the mustang because it's a $31K car for $24K, but the GLI (if I can find one) is my dream car... the Juke is awesome because of it's unique-ness, and I love the civic's character on the road. mehhhh.... decisions are hard...

TL;DR: 16yo kid trying to decide how to spend money, and has a choice of v6 mustang, Nissan juke nismo, VW Jetta GLI, and a Honda Civic Si

DISCUSSION (95)

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:25

What has the worst power to weight ratio?

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
07/18/2014 at 16:26

Juke NISMO, although the NISMO RS, GLI, and Civic Si are so close, it's not even funny. The mustang has a bit more grunt to weight, but it's a small difference again

Brian Silvestro > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:27

Nismo RS fo sho. Looks pretty cool, it's fast enough (for you), and is a little different from anything else on the road.

Manuél Ferrari > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:27

Mustang

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
07/18/2014 at 16:28

noooooo

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:28

Go for the slowest one.

yamahog > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:29

If you like all of them, then you can't go wrong!

Just wondering why the nav package is a must on the Juke, surely you can afford a GPS or smartphone in a family with a budget that generous? I've always preferred Google Maps to the few OEM systems I've tried anyway.

Textured Soy Protein > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:29

1. Why does it have to be a brand new car?

2. I wouldn't buy a '14 Mustang when we all know the all-new '15 is right around the corner. Which is why your dealer is discounting them.

3. Have you ever considered impressing your parents by finding something for less than the maximum money they have offered?

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:29

Out of those I recommend the Mustang, because that's what I'd pick given those 4 options, but you are 16, shouldn't you be driving a 2003 Taurus with at least 110,000 miles on it? Not trying to be a dick here, if you have the means, or your parents NEED you to have a new car, by all means take advantage, just curious.

Henry Diesel > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:30

why no fiesta? ONE OF US

But given the choice I would probably take the mustang too.

jkm7680 > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:30

How about the GTI?

daender > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:30

Skip the GLI and Si, narrow it down between the V6 and Nismo. Test drive both, report back on which one feels more comfortable.

TBH, wait for the '15 Stang to hit, watch '14 prices drop.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:30

I would go either Golf or Mustang. Probably Golf, unless the Mustang is better equipped.

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > jkm7680
07/18/2014 at 16:31

stepdad owns a Mark 6, stepbrother getting a Mark 7 in a year. I like it, but I need SOME variation in the driveway!

Milky > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:32

Whats wrong with the Toyobaru twins? Or a Miata? Or a Camaro V6? Or an Abarth?

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
07/18/2014 at 16:32

I'm assuming you meant jetta? and yeah, that's the choice i'm trying to make too...

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
07/18/2014 at 16:32

But the others are boring and driving around in a V6 Mustang = telling everyone either "I didn't buy this for the performance, I bought it to look cool!" or "I can't afford a GT"

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:32

Oops, yeah, jetta

jkm7680 > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:33

Haha, Gotcha. Something different is always nice. How about a 2014 WRX base?

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Milky
07/18/2014 at 16:33

Toyobarus: Too little power, too much price
Miata: I'm too big to fit, plus I need some form of backseat
Camaro V6: The interior is shit in my opinion. no more to be said (sorry GM people!)
Abarth: LOVE LOVE LOVE IT, but I can't fit in it comfortably

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
07/18/2014 at 16:36

I didn't know you're a Mustang V6 hater too!

E46 M3 & Mustang V6 hate?

That's too much hate, bro

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > jkm7680
07/18/2014 at 16:37

Don't like the interior too much, plus mom is eyeing it, plus it's too pricey (again, by just a bit...)

Vicente Esteve > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:38

Oh man, I would so wish to be in your position. Personly I wouldnt be too interested in the Mustang, though it is a great proposition. Skrew the people who say its for show, you bought it because you know what it can do. Also, on the Juke, I think it is quite cool and rare in RS Manual, but understand the lack of Nav issue. In my Opinion I wont even consider the Si, because the GLI exists. If you can get the GLI loaded I would go for it in CPO.

Other options I know could be the Beetle Turbo which would mix the sportiness of the GLI and the fun of the Juke.

But thats just my very Volkswagen biased Opinion!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
07/18/2014 at 16:39

I don't hate it, it has RWD and Manuél is in the cabin! Buy it's FAR from something I'd buy.

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Vicente Esteve
07/18/2014 at 16:40

Vincent, you KNOW i'm a VW nut too, and the beetle was on my list, and still is. Thing is, a new Turbo's impossible to find in my price range (just like the GLi...) and I can't find any used ones anywhere (just like the GLi... huh...) I love the new bug, but I can't find the new bug!

Manuél Ferrari > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:41

It's hard to give advice without knowing more about your needs.

You list practicality as a concern.

Since you're 16 I'm assuming you don't have any children. Or a corporate job where you take people out to lunch and therefore need usable back seats.

What kinds of things do you do that require a practical car?

My motto is to enjoy coupes while you can. Because once life changes you may be forced to get a sedan, CUV, SUV, wagon, etc.

TheCraigy > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:41

V6 Mustang is superior to all of those, but you would live on with the v8 inferiority complex. You could easily find a low mile 2013 GT for that price range.

Who is insisting upon the newness? Your "must be new" thing doesn't really make sense since you are clearly breaking that for the Jetta (which IMO is the least appealing of the bunch).

So V6 mustang. Or v8 mustang.

Alex B > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:42

Nissan!! Sacrifice nav for the car you know you want.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
07/18/2014 at 16:42

"it has RWD and Manuél is in the cabin!"

I can't see anything else you said...

mcseanerson > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:43

Whoa a GLI is a more practical GTI? Since when are 4 doors more practical than 5?

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
07/18/2014 at 16:43

hehe Manuél

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Manuél Ferrari
07/18/2014 at 16:44

I have a lot of friends, and I love being the designated driver. Therefore, 3-5 people in the car is basically a daily thing. I also play tennis, so I need space for AT LEAST 2 backpacks and a racket in the trunk. I need it to be fun. that's the #1 concern for me.

ihm96 > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:45

Nismo RS. Why do you need nav? Generally in car nav systems are shitty and become outdated so quickly. Just use your smartphone as your nav system or buy a Garmin.

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > mcseanerson
07/18/2014 at 16:45

Trunk size and rear legroom. My family owns both a GTI and a Jetta, and the jetta has both of those in spades, while the GTI is just adequate

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
07/18/2014 at 16:46

New RWD coupe with Manuél and more power than a E36 M3 for less than $30K

Seems like a no brainer to me!

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > ihm96
07/18/2014 at 16:47

because Nav Pkg also gives the backup camera, a better sound system, a touchscreen, USB port, aux jack for JUST $1350. doing that separately and installing it after buying the car would cost double that

Vicente Esteve > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:48

Crap, I thought the same at first. Still, it is an excellent budget to work with. Hope the GLI stays unsold.

Manuél Ferrari > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:48

Haha you're the opposite of me.

I hate driving people around. I love how when I'm driving my 911 I can't take more than one person with me unless they want to suffer neck pain.

And the Mustang is a huge and practical care compared to the 911, lol. The trunk is gigantic compared to my frunk!

I'm just a sucker for RWD coupes with manuals. So I would totally go Mustang V6 MT if I was you.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
07/18/2014 at 16:49

*cries*

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Manuél Ferrari
07/18/2014 at 16:51

See (don't hurt me) but I like FWD and AWD over RWD. I've had a scare as a child in a RWD car with my dad, and don't want that to happen again, so that's why i'm wary of that choice. I still like it, but it's kinda scary (part of the reason I don't want a fire-breathing V8...)

DailyTurismo > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:52

Have you considered CPO (certified pre-owned?) For your budget you could step into a BMW 328i with manual trans and 50k remaining on a bumper-to-bumper warranty.

http://cpo.bmwusa.com/certified/BMW/…

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > DailyTurismo
07/18/2014 at 16:53

See 3. 2014 Jetta GLI Base.

trynthink > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:54

Everyone will come to shit on the Civic Si, but it's a pretty sweet car. It definitely has the best shifter and clutch of these four. It also has a sweeter sounding engine than the VW. Quieter at idle and more frenetic at the redline.

Then again, we probably don't see eye-to-eye because you stated that the GLI is the practical GTI, when in my mind a four-door GTI is far more practical since it has four doors, a usable back seat and can fit awkward-shaped furniture and boxes in the hatch, which is pretty nice.

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Vicente Esteve
07/18/2014 at 16:55

So do I!
(also, I realize replying on 3 different messages is VERY inconvenient for both of us... if you want, I could send you a facebook friend request, and we can talk about this stuff easier that way?)

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
07/18/2014 at 16:56

I know they're a bit heavy. But would still be a really fun DD. The modern V6 has more power than most V8s did 10-15 years ago!

The 2015 Mustang V6 Manuél will be an awesome car. Mad IRS, yo

ihm96 > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:56

Does the RS have a manual? And you should look at a Mini Cooper S because they just came out with an update so you can probably find a good deal on a new, but 2014 not 15 model sorta like how they have deals on the 14 stangs.

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > trynthink
07/18/2014 at 16:58

IMO, the GLI is more practical because rear leg room and a bigger trunk Cu-Ft wise. And I agree, the civic is a great choice but I dislike the Si crowd. it's either "HEY BRAH I GOT V-TEC BRAH" types of people, it's street racer types, showing off with their SkunkII setups. I prefer the VW crowd, although it's also very stance orientated, the German touch is what makes it for me.

Manuél Ferrari > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 16:58

Ah I see. Don't worry I won't talk smack. I'm not an oppojerk, lol.

I can see why you'd be scared now.

But maybe you can get over the fear. Become a RWD master!

When I was a kid I nearly died in the pool. So my Mom got me swimming lessons and I became a really good swimmer and have loved swimming ever since.

If you got a RWD car you could do AutoX and get driver instruction on the track. You'd be Chris Harris no time!

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > ihm96
07/18/2014 at 16:59

hmmm.... good idea on the mini...
And yeah Nismo RS=manual

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
07/18/2014 at 16:59

Drag racing yo

Drag tires yo

Reaction times yo

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Manuél Ferrari
07/18/2014 at 17:00

I love that idea! and I love the idea of RWD, i'm just concerned how good of a DD it would be in Rainy Redmond, WA. it'd be fun, for sure!

Manuél Ferrari > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 17:03

You'd be surprised how good modern traction control is!

There is no comparison between a new RWD car in the rain vs. an older one with no traction control.

I think you'd be fine in the rain once you become confident with it and know the limits of your car.

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Manuél Ferrari
07/18/2014 at 17:06

Sadly I know how good modern traction control systems are (damn undefeatable one in mom's Jetta... I've managed a one-wheel-peel once!) and I might just do it, but I just can't get over how much I love the GLI....

trynthink > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 17:09

I think the ft^3 measure for trunk space is pretty meaningless unless you carry suitcases or bags. For boxes, what really matters is what can fit through the opening, and every trunk opening is smaller than a potential hatch opening. Since turning 16, I've had two sedans and still have to borrow other people's cars to move things that weren't big (like a 20x20x20" box), but were too big to fit in my car because they couldn't get into the trunk.

Edit: I should add that I typically run into this problem because I have hobbies that involve things like furniture and big pieces of wood.

Fair enough about the Si crowd, especially owners of older Civics, but as a Honda owner who isn't an obnoxious douche, I just hang out with people who have other cars and don't worry that I'm not with "my people." I am super happy with my Honda because I can spend my time driving my car instead of learning to enjoy its quirky faults. Did you read the post yesterday from the guy who rented a Beetle that had A/C that only worked at certain speeds, and cut out at other speeds? Even under warranty...seriously?

SonorousSpeedJoe > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 17:11

I'd opt for a Mustang V6 Premium with the Performance Package - I think that should be within your price range. It can be had with optional Recaro seats, but those are much rarer and would likely be out of your price range.

Kinja'd!!!

Is there a particular deadline you have for this purchase? The new Mustang will be in dealer lots by September and the EcoBoost variant's base trim starts at ~$25k, though I can understand if you don't want to deal with possible markups and likely less content.

The GLI sounds good, as does the Civic Si coupe (provided you go for the refreshed 2014 coupe, which is better-looking IMO).

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > trynthink
07/18/2014 at 17:16

ehh, i'll take the quirks ;)

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > SonorousSpeedJoe
07/18/2014 at 17:17

August 12th is the deadline. my Tennis starts after that, so no time to shop after that day. I'd love a performance pack premium, but without the deal i'd get here it'd be 27-28K...
I'd be happiest in a GLI I tihnk

Jayhawk Jake > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 17:18

No, Yes, No (Practical GTi? The GTi is a practical GTi), No.

For $24k and what you are looking for, Fiesta ST no question. If it's the appearance/space that bothers you about it, Sonic RS with $200 Trifecta tune.

Or, and this is the advice of a 25 year old man who has made some really awful financial decisions in his life, get something cheap. Ask your parents (who I assume are buying the car, if not, heed my advice) if you can get something under budget and put the rest of the budget into a fund of some kind.

Honestly, as much as it's going to sound awful right now, if you got a $15,000 car and had them put $10,000 into a CD for ~5-6 years (or some other account that earns interest), it'd be really, really great if you could save that money until after college.

When I left school I had nothing but a really supportive family. I had some money I'd earned from working, but not much at all. If I had $10k + a few years of interest? Oh boy. The things you could buy would be magical. Imagine leaving college with a well paying job and $10k+ to put towards a house, or to buy a project car, or to put towards a real sports car as a down payment...the mature adult in me is drooling at the thought of it.

You're young. You have plenty of time to have fun cars, and all cars are fun when they're your first. What would be my choice of a cheap car if it has to be brand new? A Mitsubishi Mirage. I haven't driven one, but I want to. It looks like fun, pretty practical, unique enough to be interesting (you can get it in bright colors), and I bet it'd be fun as fuck to toss around an autocross course. Other options would be base Fiesta's or Sonics (if you get a Sonic, get the 1.4T and thank me later), the new Mazda 2, a Honda Fit, etc. Use your imagination.

TL;DR: Be responsible, get something cheap, have your parents put money aside for you when you're an adult, come back and thank me when you have a new M4/ShelbyGT/Corvette/F-Type in 6 years.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 17:24

The V6 Mustang is faster and much more powerful than the BRZ/FRS

Vicente Esteve > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 17:29

Absolutely. I dont think you have your name as PeterVN, the 5-pot fanboy.

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Jayhawk Jake
07/18/2014 at 17:32

Well, I already have a fund with $5K in it... (I'm really fortunate to have that from my family as well) plus my family has agreed to help pay for my college. So, the $25K budget is something I set myself, and am trying to stick to it. I started saving money when I was 12 since I was told this stuff early in life, and already have my financials planned out until I'm at least 20.... I will consider what you said though, words of wisdom are always good!

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Vicente Esteve
07/18/2014 at 17:34

Nope! My actual name is Petar Vrcelj Nikolic (spelled with an A, and yes the VN are the initials to my last name!) I know the last names are long and weird! yay for Slavic origins!

ihm96 > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 17:35

I only wondered because on nissans configurator it doesn't let you choose anything but a CVT for the nismo and nismo rs

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > ihm96
07/18/2014 at 17:35

if it's FWD, it's got to be a manual. That's how it is for me on the configurator

Manuél Ferrari > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 17:35

Haha one wheel peel sounds funny.

I'm so crazy I want to buy an AWD Gallardo or R8 and convert it to RWD :)

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Manuél Ferrari
07/18/2014 at 17:37

Im... less crazy I'd be happy with a FWD car with 400hp! because why not have al the torquesteer in the world?
And yup, one wheel peels are funny (and fun!) the Jetta's on fairly new rubber, so I got a decent amount of smoke off of it!

Vicente Esteve > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 17:39

My name is Vicente Esteve Alatorre

Yay Mexican Origins!

Manuél Ferrari > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 17:42

FWD with 400 HP?

You are just as crazy!

That torquesteer is scarier to me than trailing throttle oversteer in a 911!!

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Vicente Esteve
07/18/2014 at 17:43

basically as long as mine then haha! Since there's only one "Vicente Esteve Alatorre" on facebook that I can find, i'm gonna assume it's you!

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Manuél Ferrari
07/18/2014 at 17:44

I don't mind torqusteer, since I can control it with the wheel, oversteer? not so much from my experiences

Manuél Ferrari > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 17:46

But you can control oversteer with the wheel. Just apply some oppo :)

FWD cars are like witchcraft to me because I've never owned one.

I've never even owned an AWD car before.

I once got to race an 80s Celica turbo with AWD on track. I sucked. The prehistoric AWD system really confused my mind. RWD is the only thing that makes sense to me because it's all I've ever driven since I was 16 years old

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Manuél Ferrari
07/18/2014 at 17:47

lucky... I've only driven FWD's, and one AWD (juke NISMO! woo!)
FWD's dip in to corners amazingly, and you can just apply throttle to pull yourself out!

Vicente Esteve > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 17:48

There arent many Vrcelijs with a picture of Seattle, so Im guessing thats you!

Manuél Ferrari > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 17:48

Really?

I always thought when you went into a corner too quick with FWD you had to pray and sacrifice a chicken in hopes of living.

I guess everything I've heard about FWD were lies spread by RWD fanboys, lol

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Vicente Esteve
07/18/2014 at 17:48

Yup! the seattle skyline's my background! you found me!

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Manuél Ferrari
07/18/2014 at 17:51

I always assumed RWD's going in to a corner too fast wind up either coming out backwards or hit a tree, so I guess I've heard lies too! :P
and no, FWD's just stick and go through corners, until the grip runs out, and you understeer that is

Manuél Ferrari > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 17:54

This is so funny!

We have reached a breakthrough here.

I think we can now create peace in the middle east!

We've found that everyone fears what they don't know.

I should try FWD and you should try RWD. We'll see that neither is scary, they're just different!

RWD doesn't mean you'll definitely spin because you can catch it and be fine.

And FWD doesn't mean that I'll push and hit the tree head on. That's how it seems in my head but maybe if I try it I'll see that I can control it and not total the car!

Vicente Esteve > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 17:55

You are private everywhere! I already checked and I can recieve your request.

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Vicente Esteve
07/18/2014 at 17:57

really? didn't know that...
I'm gonna send you one then
I'm gonna assume you're the Vicente Esteve Alatorre whose profile picture is you and I assume your girlfriend?

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Manuél Ferrari
07/18/2014 at 17:58

i'll try RWD, but it doesn't mean i'm gonna buy it ;)

Manuél Ferrari > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 18:02

Fly to so cal and I'll let you try an M3 and a 911!

But only if you promise to give the Mustang serious consideration :)

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Manuél Ferrari
07/18/2014 at 18:03

Shame i'm in Serbia in Europe right now... i'd love to do that!

And don't worry, I am. My school's Mascot IS the mustang (horse) after all! so I gotta at least consider it!

Vicente Esteve > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 18:03

You assume nicely.

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Vicente Esteve
07/18/2014 at 18:04

sent!

Manuél Ferrari > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 18:08

Never been there

Is it true that Serbian girls are super hot?

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Manuél Ferrari
07/18/2014 at 18:09

In a word. Yes.
In multiple words. holy mother of anything that you hold holy in your life yes it is so true oh my god this place is fucking amazing why do I even have a girlfriend?

Manuél Ferrari > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 18:24

I don't so I need to go there!!

feather-throttle-not-hair > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 21:30

mustang or civic. Get a manual, this will likely be the last chance you'll have to buy a new vehicle equipped with a manual.

feather-throttle-not-hair > Manuél Ferrari
07/18/2014 at 21:36

lol. 350z has gotten me out of giving soooo many people rides. Some even insist "ohhh I'll just sit in your tiny back seat, you don't mean you really have NO back seat"

Pull seat forward and open door

"Oh. You were serious."

feather-throttle-not-hair > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 21:38

if you get the mustang, I will teach you to hoon......

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Manuél Ferrari > feather-throttle-not-hair
07/18/2014 at 21:51

Haha isn't it awesome!!!

I don't gusta driving a whole bunch of people around. One friend or gal, that's awesome. A group? Not so much.

I'd rather someone else be the DD so I can drink!

Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 23:51

Easy: ST twins.

Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/18/2014 at 23:53

Dub heads are not really an improvement over Si boy racers.

ihm96 > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
07/19/2014 at 00:18

Ohhh I was configuring an AWD version. But either way I would suggest testing out the mini. Even the base is super fun with the manual and it's got comfy leather. My mom had an 06 cooper with the 5 speed manual and upgraded to the S last year and theyre super fun to drive. I learned to drive manual in her old one actually

bob and john > trynthink
07/21/2014 at 10:33

hehe. big pieces of wood.